Answer 1 of 35: Ive never played craps at a live casino, only online. When I play I always bet on the don't pass. I was watching some vids on YouTube and the man said that betting this way at a casino can cause trouble with the other players. Placing a Pass Line bet is betting with the dice, and placing a Don't Pass bet is betting against the dice. Pass Line bets are also said to be 'betting right,' while Don't Pass bets are said to be 'betting wrong.' (Not that either is any better or worse a bet than the other - this is just craps jargon.). After the point was established, If the 7 rolls before the point is rolled, then the don’t pass line wins. To place this online craps bet, you need to place your chips in the box marked 'Don't Pass' on the craps table. This area is also known as the Black line. Like the craps pass line bet, this bet must be made before the shooter's first roll. The don't pass bet is another one of the most popular bets in craps. Players who wager on this bet are known as 'wrong' players since they are usually betting against the shooter who is a 'right' player. You are hoping the shooter doesn't pass their dice on the pass line.

Hi I am from Perth Australia and we do not have a craps table at our casino.
So might be a dumb question but in the Don't Pass Bar is better odds why doesn't everyone bet it instead of the Pass bar?? I know it is known as the dark side but if everyone bets it then the whole table can still be winning or losing together but with better odds??

First, most craps players don't care about better odds. That's why most craps players play the hardaways, horns, and c&e bets.
Second, even people who like low odds (like myself) don't like betting to lose. I understand you could look at the game differently, but if everybody played the don't, you're switching dice all the time and losing becomes the new winning. To be honest, a hot shooter on craps is about as exciting as it gets in a casino. The energy flowing, people increasing bets, it's just exhilarating. A don't bettor doesn't get to experience that, and the vibe would never get there if everybody was dark siding it.First off, the difference in the house edge is minor, so tradition plays a big part in it.
Part of it comes from the way the game is introduced to newbies. If you attend one of the casino's free craps lessons, they will start with the basics: pass line and odds. Then they'll talk about how a come bet (with odds) is just like a pass bet, but after the point is established. Then they'll talk about the place bets, and finally the field and hard ways, because they're popular and simple. They'll mention the Dont's as well as the prop bets, but they'll do it in a way that suggests that they are advanced concepts, and a newbie should get familiar with the basics first.
The other part comes from the fact that a wrong side shooter will retain the dice when he loses. Who wants that? So the tradition is to be a right side shooter. And players generally will bet WITH the shooter. Or at least with the dice, which means right side betting.
I think the fact that dark side is also called 'wrong' actually has very little to do with it.
For what it's worth, a few months ago, there was a discussion here about creating a craps game that favored wrong betting. The single change in the game would be that the shooter lost the dice when he MADE a point. A LOT of people liked the idea.....P.S.
Tiltpoul has two great points.
Most people don't know or care about the odds / house edge. Proof: Blackjack that pays 6:5 and double zero Roulette.
There IS something to say about the energy created by a hot shooter.

the whole table can still be winning or losing together but with better odds??

Remember the odds are reversed on the come out roll. You have EIGHT ways to lose and only 3 ways to win on the come out roll. Once you get past that deficiency, than you have better odds than the pass. :)That reminds me of another reason.
Laying more odds than the amount that will be paid, rubs people the wrong way.

Personally I play the pass since You need a larger bankroll on the don't to cover the odds. While you get true odds (no house edge) this lager bet scares people off.

That's important, too.
I learned to play craps, really, using the WinCraps sim program. one thign you elarn once you hit the tables, is that making bets with money is a bit different (she understated). So, for example, laying 10X odds on the scrren doens't feel the same as when you do it with real money...
But that also goes for making multiple come bets with odds. More so since a seven can wipe out a whole lot of bets.

What Does Don't Pass Bar Mean In Craps Terms

Now I'll usually play a pass line bet with odds, and will add come bets sporadically. At Rapid Craps,w here players can't see your action, I still play the Dark Side with multiple don't come bets with odds sometimes. There a seven wins you a lot of bets.
It's a complicated game to play. I think there are more questions about betting strategy about craps than about all other games combined.

First, most craps players don't care about better odds. That's why most craps players play the hardaways, horns, and c&e bets.

True. Whether its some sort of shared frenetic energy generated at the table or what, people are generally trying to Win Big rather than merely to win. The desire is for Action! A horn bet is a way of making four bad bets simultaneously... but you only need ONE of those four to hit and you've got that desired 'WIN' even if its just a lousy two quarters dropping into the tray! For many players it seems to be whoop and holler and the 'win' something even if it ain't all that much.
My companion's second craps session involved her gripes about betting a sum of money to win less. She hated it even though she understood she was betting on the favorite. Its just plain unpopular no matter how it looks mathematically.1.364% vs 1.414% is insignificant. We're talking 1 time out of 2,000. Most players play with the stigma that you want to MAKE your point and shoot for a long time, not 7 out right away. Pass line is how the game is taught.

What Does Don't Pass Bar Mean In Craps Machine

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'm under the impression that after the come out roll, I can place a bet on the 'don't come' bar, and I'm betting that a 7 will come before the point. Is there a difference between the 'Don't come Bar' and the 'Don't Come' area on each number?

Nope. The don't come bet is a different bet, not a wager that the last come bet you made will lose to a 7. Though I can understand that literal interpretation.

What Does Don't Pass Bar Mean In Craps Table

The don't come bet and don't pass bet are equivalent but for whether the shooter's point has already been established. The bets lose on a first-roll 7 or 11, win on 2 or 3, push on 12, and any other number establishes the point. After a point is established, which you can tell because the bet is moved behind the box number, it wins if a 7 is rolled before the number and loses if the number shows first. The reason the bets move to a number box is because that's how the dealer can tell what the point number was for that bet. The only line bet, either pass or don't, where the bet itself doesn't move is the passline. For those bets, the dealer's puck indicates the point number instead.
Also, there's no such thing as the 'don't come bar'. What you're reading is 'don't come, bar 12' which means that you don't win if a 12 is rolled. You push instead. In northern Nevada, craps games bar the 2 instead.

Thanks, but he doesn't explain the odds. Just lists them.

What Does Don't Pass Bar Mean In Craps Machines

Go back to Wizard of Odds and watch the video tutorials on Craps.

Thanks, but he doesn't explain the odds. Just lists them.

What did you read? This is a pretty good explanation, if you ask me:

The Odds is like a side bet in craps made after a point is thrown. It pays if the point is thrown before a seven. The odds on the Odds are exactly fair, which zero house edge. To be specific, the Odds pays 2 to 1 on points of 4 and 10, 3 to 2 on a 5 and 9, and 6 to 5 on a 6 and 8. To make an odds bet after a pass line bet just put the odds bet behind the pass line bet, outside of the pass line area on the side closer to you.
Because the Odds has zero house edge the player can only bet so much on it compared to his Pass bet. Most casinos allow what is known as '3- 4-5X Odds.' This means the player may bet up to three times his Pass bet on the odds after a point of a 4 or 10, four times after a 5 or 9, and five times after a 6 or 8. How did they come up with this? I think because if the player always takes the maximum odds, and he wins on the pass line, the Odds bet will always pay 6 times the pass line wager, making the math easier for the dealers.

(I assume it's all right to copy & paste this info since it's from the Wizard's own site)

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